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Sunday, August 12, 2007

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Don't be dramatic. I'm sure the Sox will still have something around a 1/2 game lead when you get back.

Wait, so what I've been saying all along, based on watching almost every single game of the year, is finally taking hold of other Sox fans? You mean I wasn't just a doomsayer, a panic artist? You mean that I might actually have been observant?

This team, as I have been saying for WEEKS, even when they had a ten game lead, is troubled, big time. It's finally somehwat redeeming that someone else might be seeing what I saw long ago.

I assume many of our posters here will jump on this, calling me overly pessimistic, but I do recall one of our new authors here a couple of months ago saying the Yankees were completely dead, that only firing Joe Torre might do anything, that the team was a nightmare. I am doing nothing of the sort with the Sox -- this skid is on the players and not management (though management isn't blameless). Somehow I don't expect I will escape being criticized for my attitude, however well-justified it's panning out to have been.

Oh, and by the way: I'm with Paul. See you guys in a week.

Waaaaaah!!!

Please please please please please write another Haiku about Matsuzaka...brag some more about Gagne...Brag some more about April and May and the season being over....PLEASE??!!!!

I pray to everything that's holy that Gabbard wins 300 games.

more negativity.... the fun of Yanksfan vs Soxfan deteriorates with the negativity..... its almost like being back on the Red Sox mlb.com messageboard

Oh another YF who only showed up on the website after New York's hot streak. Go bandwagon, Go!

So apparently that was a shot at me, SF. I don't recall saying the Yankees needed to fire Torre--not denying it, I really don't remember--but I did think they were just about cooked. And congratulations, you totally predicted that Eric Gagne's arrival would mark a complete bullpen implosion. And by mark I mean he is the implosion, almost by himself. Anyone who says they saw that coming is a liar, since there wasn't a single negative critique of that trade anywhere at the time it was made.

No Gagne and Boston probably sweeps the Orioles. Yeah, they should have definitely managed more then 3 measly runs against Trachsel and company. 11 hits, including 4 doubles, and 3 walks don't generally add up to 3 runs, but this time they did. But this isn't the thunderous lineup of old; this team's built on starting pitching and a strong bullpen. Generally speaking the offense will be good enough. And the rotation is still carrying its weight, probably 3/5 of the time (Matsuzaka and Beckett, and one or two good starts per turn from the other three). But now the bullpen--Gagne--isn't, and that's a problem.

But uh, congrats...guess maybe you were right, or something. I'm not entirely sure what the cure to the vague and nebulous "bad baseball" might be, but whatever.

I'm pretty sure SF was referring to my series of reverse psychology posts in late June. I am so money with my predictions (please see Josh Beckett for further proof).

I agree with D1 here. No one predicted or warned that Gagne would basically lose every game he pitched for the Sox. Frankly, it's hard to do what he's doing. It's on par with the fine work of Felix Heredia, Jay Witasik, Julia Tavarez and Kyle Farnsworth.

It *does* seem that Tavarez throws like a girl...

my typos are so freudian! I am not a sexist pig!

"I'm pretty sure SF was referring to my series of reverse psychology posts in late June."

Oh. Well then sorry if I were a little abrasive; I'm pretty pissed off right now myself. Almost entirely at Eric Gagne. And also because this is the second loss in a row where Francona did the exact opposite of what I wanted him to do, and the second time in a row where I would have probably been right. (Friday I wanted Oki in with the lefties due up, and today I wanted Oki to stay in against the righties because Gagne doesn't deserve the eighth inning right now).

There is a LOT of baseball left to be playedd. Let's not get crazy, anything can happen...

Now Paul,, click your heels and tell yourself,,,

There's no place like Boston,
There's np place like Boston.

Thank god.

Actually, I was referring to Trisk, guys. I did say I would be gone for a week, and it's not because I've given up, it's because the amount of time that I focus on baseball (due to my role on this blog) has turned me into a very abrasive person (which I am very much not), and I am frankly not much fun to be around right now -- this is not fair to the wife or kids. I should be mature enough to separate the game from everything else (I'm pushing 40, for heck's sake), but I am finding that I am not doing well at that currently; the best solution is to follow Paul's lead and just purge myself of baseball for the week, get an attitude adjustment. I'll be back, but right now I just need to enjoy a week without feeling like bitterness is always a couple of hours away. I love the Sox' pitching staff, still, and the Gagne deal should be made EVERY time (I refuse to criticize it, even with the sh*t results so far), but for a few days I just need to not watch. Maybe the site will be better off, maybe it won't, but I sure will be.

I annoint thee funniest thread of the season.

P.s. Love how the rats are jumping off a 1st place ship (with the best record in the majors too).

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

And congratulations, you totally predicted that Eric Gagne's arrival would mark a complete bullpen implosion

Did I? I don't think so - I loved the trade.

No, that was sarcasm. Just being kind of a d*ck, I'm having trouble with the whole separation thing myself.

In all seriousness, I don't see that YFs have any right to gloat just yet. Let's wait until the lead is down to 0.5 games or less first. Remember, one lousy series against Anaheim is all it would take for the status quo to be restored. By the same token, SFs should hold off jumping off the Prudential building for now....

Buck up. I don't recall any of us YFs forsaking baseball when things were looking bad for us. And this site ain't gonna write itself.

You are 100% correct SF, I did say the Yankees were dead. That's why I still think Yankee fans should show some caution. Also I still think Torre has been an awful game manager, this win streak has not changed that. Joe Torre is what he is, a manager of players, not a game manager. During this winning streak "Sleepy" hasn't had to manage, when your offense is blowing teams out of the building there isn't a whole lot of strategy involved. I still think at year's end the Joe Torre era is over. Thanks for everything Joe, you have done a great job, but it's time to move on. That's my opinion SF, win, lose or tie.

As far as the team goes, this team has changed. We added a good backup catcher, we added a right handed power bat, we added a utility man with pop, the Josh Phelps experiment is over, Melky is playing CF everyday, Proctor and Myers are gone and the back of the rotation has solidified somewhat with Hughes and Clemens. In addition Cano, Matsui, Abreu heated up and started to play more to their career numbers. They have made some drastic, but subtle changes and so far they have worked.

But there is still a TON of baseball to be played.

Also, enough with the circular firing squad. Things get a little tight here and all of a sudden everyone's shooting at each other? Come on. And all because a certain French Canadian pitches like Celine Dion. Boo-hoo is right.

Who's gloating? It's moments like these that show the true difference between the fanbases. Situation flipped and I'm excited for the race, not jumping overboard.

At least the season is finally getting good. These are the games to watch (esp. if you're a YF - Bwhahahaha!).

Listen up: I am not taking a few days off because I am jumping ship (I haven't been on the ship entirely for a couple of months, that's partly my point), but because baseball is becoming too much of a factor in my mood around my household. If anyone wants to characterize this as jumping off the boat, fine. But that's a complete misread, utter bullshit. I explained why I am taking a breather above, and I can't be any clearer about it. See you in a week.

I dunno about that. I'd be a wee bit concerned if I were a YF right now watching Joe ride Mo like that. The bullpen is as deep as a puddle and the organization is completely relying upon mashing the ball. I don't think anyone has learned the lessons of the loss to the Tigers last year i.e. good pitching beats good hitting. This isn't to toot the Sox's horn because they've been slightly above mediocre for two months. I'm just offering up the thought that end zone dances should be deferred for a bit.

SF -

Call it whatever you want - it's your week off.

But it's poor form....esp. as the second leader of your brigade to jump.

And DW, in case you didn't notice, Yank pitching just gave up 6 runs in three games against a 1st place team.

And, yes...anytime baseball overtakes life, it's time to step back. SF has the right idea. I heard various YFs doing that in June and I thought it was a good idea then.

I saw that but they ran into a team that isn't hitting right now. That can't continue though, of course, it can continue long enough to secure the AL East. Just like markets can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent, streaks can continue longer than the statistics say that they are supposed to.

Well said DW. But I would like to add that what you are hearing from Yankee fans is not so much as gloating about Gagne as it is a relief that he hasn't turned out to be all that he was built up to be.
I can definately agree with SF's reasons for taking a break from all this as I almost did in late spring from watching the Yankees going into freefall. My girlfriend living with me is a diehard Sox fan and we didn't always separate the game from our personal lives. Needless to say, today was very quiet around here.
There's a lot of games to go. Let's all just try to enjoy it.

Oh, wow...Marc...I just wouldn't even go there. I had a "mixed" marriage like that. Needless to say, I live alone now. :))

Lol DW. We have a large house. It comes in handy at the end of the season.

I did check back to see the response this post generated, and aside from the actual co-authors of this blog (and Yankeemonkey), not a single YF poster ever posted here more than a month ago, and not a single one of them said anything remotely intelligent. And then they lecture me and SF, the freaking founder of this blog, on how and whether to root for the team we have rooted for our entire lives.

Arrogance and the old-fashioned art of bandwagon jumping know no bounds when you root for the Yankees. You even get to tell fans of other teams whether they're as good as you are. Nice.

"Arrogance and the old-fashioned art of bandwagon jumping know no bounds when you root for the Yankees."

And yet, Yankee game threads are as barren as George Bush's head.

"You even get to tell fans of other teams whether they're as good as you are."

Right after calling Yankee fans "bandwagoners". Wow. Good call, there. I guess that means you do get to tell other fans whether they're as good as you?

And DW - the bullpen is as deep as the best closer year in year out in the history of the game, a guy who has a 1.35 ERA since the beginning of JUNE, and Joba Chamberlain, whom Boston's very own Peter Gammons said has some of the best stuff in the major leagues. Also, the Yankees are actually pitching rather well as of late. They are still mashing the ball, sure, but they're not giving up 6 runs a game either.

Like someone said above, this is a completely different Yankee team than the Sox saw earlier in the season. The bench has been overhauled to compete for probably the best in the major leagues (mostly because of the Damon/Giambi DH platoon, so at least one of them will be riding the pine most nights), Luis Vizcaino has been more than a capable setup man while Rivera has been himself. Also, Joba Chamberlain has impressed and can go multiple innings at a time. Also, Pettitte and Moose have been strong as of late, and the Yankees literally do not have a weak spot in their starting rotation. I don't want to start printing out playoff tickets yet, but the underrating of this Yankee team has gone on long enough, I feel.

When a SF talks about negatively about the yanks or their fans it reminds me of the end of the USSR. When commies would drag visitors out to see the fake towns to show them how nice Russia was compared to the USA. Meanwhile the bread lines were growing and growing. And then the wall came down.
T-minus.

I'm not sure I've ever heard anyone in such despair while they are 4 games up--which is still one of the better leads in baseball, NO!?!?

I still like the Dead Sox pitching better than my Yanks' arms--at least for now.

Look out for the Yanks' staff of 2009--WHATEVER THAT'S WORTH!!!

ej

I'm not sure I've ever heard anyone in such despair while they are still 4 games up--which is still one of the better leads in baseball, NO?!?!?

I still like the Dead Sox pitching better than my Yanks' arms--at least for now.

Look out for the Yanks' staff of 2009, though--WHATEVER THAT'S WORTH!!!

ej

Uh, Paul, it's exactly because you and your founder are the leaders of this rag-tag bunch of SF's (at least in this region of cyberspace) that makes it poor form. You two are running the shop and you're closing while your team is UP four games and with the best record in baseball. That's quite an example to set for your fellow fans...and very funny too.

Things are interesting around here when there is a rivalry. The rest of the season I've been mostly elsewhere, dissecting the Yankee woes. But I've listened to or watched every single game this year. It wasn't fun for a while, but that's life. And with the Yankees it's only a matter of time until the winning starts again! How's that for arrogance?

Ha!

Andrew - I've actually been very impressed that the threads around here haven't gotten clogged with gloating. Maybe because the Yankee season still seems tenuous? It will be interesting to see how the season plays out. Thankfully there's a race. Wouldn't be much fun without one.

Woosta:

Either you don't have a family or, if you do, your mood doesn't get impacted by baseball such that it makes you surly around the household. If it's the latter, then good for you - I haven't been able to get to that place. But reprimanding me because I want to get my priorities straight and taking a few days away from posting missives about baseball at a blog seems kind of stupid, frankly. Five years ago this blog didn't exist - did it make me a lesser fan in 2002 when I stopped watching the team for a few days? How would you even have known I did that? Have you ever not watched a game out of frustration?

It would have been smarter for me to not say anything, just stay away for a week, but since this is a baseball site all about our fandom (and we authors all let you in on what part of the sleeve our heart is on, all the time), it seemed like, as a founder, not saying anything and just ignoring the site would have been far more disingenuous. I chose, like Paul, to say something, and not just disappear without a trace.

Anyhow, my family harmony is far more important than any stupid sporting event, and to be taken to task for thinking that and wanting to get back onto an even keel is just crazy. I certainly will not apologize for this, though it seems like this kind of priority-making offends you, which is screwy.

SF -

I didn't mean for this to become a flame-off. I had an opinion and stated it.

My wife constantly reminds me that it's just a game. Her awesomeness is what got me through the early part of this season.

I'm less offended than shocked. Your team is UP four games with the best record in baseball and both you and Paul are bailing. It's a bit weird and funny while sad for your site.

Hey, you're an adult - you can do whatever you want. Enjoy your baseball-free week.

Dude, I am not bailing! I am just spending a few days away from watching games, intensely blogging. I will still be following the team -- it's just that the intensity that comes from the attention I have been giving the team (in part due to my authorship here) has been getting the best of me, and I don't like that.

I admittedly spent a few days off from the Yankees back when they were down by 9 games. That was definitely the low point of the season, and it was just not fun to watch anymore.

Taking time off from a team is perfectly fine for anyone - wherever they are in the standings - as long as you come back to them in the end.

True Yankee fans never "jump on and off the bandwagon". We just wait for the winning to begin, because it always does. Arrogance is claiming the World Series had been won in April by both Sox fans and Boston sportswriters. How big does that NY logo look in your rearview mirror now?

SF and Paul I understand 100% where you are coming from. I really don't understand how your message is being misconstrued. They are NOT bailing, when your sports life disrupts how you deal with your real life it's time to take a break. My wife is as supportive as they come, but we made a rule early on don't bring home your losses. During a 25+ game season for me there are going to be nights I want to kick the dog, but I leave that in the locker room. Afterall it's just a game, that's it. It was created for our enjoyment...

Sorry, was that too Mike Vick?

Arrogance is claiming the World Series had been won in April by both Sox fans and Boston sportswriters

Forget a couple of idiot sportswriters (is that a redundancy?), can anyone comb through this site and locate where us SFs (or SF regulars who post here) awarded the Sox anything in April?

And thanks, Trisk. I can't imagine coaching a team and dealing with the stresses, since obviously I can barely handl being just a fan!

i should have been the first to jump in and defend sf for his right to take a few days off from baseball...i did the same thing twice this year, partly because he gave me something to think about in a couple of our more pleasant and thoughtful exchanges...yes, i suppose i could lecture him about his responsibility to manage the site, but his colleagues can help with that in his absence...if you let this stuff consume you [and it can], it can have an adverse affect on other parts of your life...that's all he's saying, and i admire him for recognizing it...

most of the true yf's aren't gloating sf and paul...i remember too well how much it sucks to be losing so badly, and i'm not just talking about this year...i'm still waiting for the bubble to burst...maybe it won't...maybe the yanks will continue to win and the sox will continue to struggle...the yanks have made an amazing comeback down from 14, but they're still behind by 4, and [cliche] it only takes 1 to win...take your time off, take a few deep breaths, spend time with your families, but come back as quick as you can...the place won't be the same without you...

Thanks, dc. I think you nailed it in that first paragraph.

Funny thing is that I have never been the most over-confident SF, to say the least! That YFs might accuse SFs of overconfidence at this site (run by a devoted cynic of a Sox fan) is kind of ironic.

(as for my self-imposed ban, it begins somewhat later in the day, when actual baseball resumes)

I was at the game in 1995 when the Sox clinched the division. Whether did I know that would be their last division win in history. :)

I'm with Paul on this one. I'd ignore the Sox, too, if I didn't have tickets tomorrow. I've seen this happen too many times to watch it again.

I'm not trying to start a fight here, I'm really not. I have the utmost respect for the resident YFs here and most of the regular YF comment posters.

But...

Is it just me, or are the trolls almost ALWAYS Yankee fans?

For you YF trolls coming out of the woodwork, you don't have a leg to stand on. Not a single rational SF here or anywhere claimed anything was won at any point this season.

In fact, I think there are a few YF authors of this site that said, at various points, that the wild card was the Yankees only hope.

Sorry lockland there are trolls on both side of this world. You are more sensitive to and thus have a better memory for the YF bread. But believe me when our team was down and out we got plenty ourselves from the SF type.

Yeah, yesterday's game made me pretty mad too. I was similarly thinking of walking away for a little while. But that's sort of a constant for me: "If I get this mad now...should I watch baseball ever?"

Well, it might be nice not to have that up-and-down swing in my life, and I just keep flashing back to squandered leads of previous years and not wanting to watch it again. For now, can I just say thank you to the Yankee fans who aren't being d*cks?

Really Sam? Here at YFSF or just in general?

Both Lockland. We had SFs commenting/trolling on our Gamers in april all the time. It inevitable id say.

I've seen a lot of asshattery on both sides at various points of the season, unfortunately, both here and elsewhere. Like Sam says, it's inevitable. The schadenfreude is too tempting not to indulge in, I suppose....

the reason yankee threads are so light us that sf trolls in the threads were so negative, including sf and paul sf.

I do well remember the "A-Rod only hits homeruns off of bad pitchers" BS that Paul was trying to sell earlier in the season.

But the truth is that this site is still barren of Yankee fans that actually will follow and comment on games. Their record at the All-Star break probably killed much of the Yankee fanbase this site had, and those people probably forgot about the site.

I do hope that YFs come back. Game threads aren't fun when one or two people comment on any given day. I have to go to nomaas or Replacement Level to get my game-tracking needs, but it's not as much fun when there's no Sox fan snarking/perspective. As annoying as, say, Paul's futile attempt at refuting A-Rod's talent was, it was still fun to argue.

^Me

Another reason why the Yankee game threads are so light is that a couple of the formerly more prolific posters during games (myself included) have difficulty typing when tending to urchins.

I thought you meant, for a second there, that Yankee fans had collectively turned their passion for their team into a prolific sea urchin hobby.

Uni... Mmmmmmmm.

OK - first time visitor and writer...if that makes me a troll, so be it, but today is the first day I wondered if there is a dedicated YF-SF blog (as opposed to separate blogs that get "invaders" from each others' fan base) and found you all. A quick point about BOTH our teams:

When I lived in DC for 3 years and got season tickets to Camden yards because it was the only b-ball in town (pre-Nats) I got a firsthand sense of how lucky both YF and SF are. Neither of us have to suffer through what many other fan-bases have to: owners for whom winning is not the top priority (and sometimes not among the top 3 priorities); teams that contend once a decade - if that; stars groomed within their own systems who can't be retained because the team either doesn't have the money or refuses to spend it on them (see first point re: owners' priorities); etc.

When you step back from the heat of the moment in Yf-SF relations, we are probably the luckiest b-ball fans around, at least as far as contending-every-year is concerned. And even when we YFs sufferred (relatively) at different stretches in the past 3 decades, it was not because of any of the reasons above. Poor management working toward a championship is easier to remedy than management not working toward one at all.

End of the day: if every owner were assured - as are the owners of the Cubs for instance - that they would sell out most home games regardless of record, how many of them would spend to win? I think the number is below 6-8 of them - seriously.

Welcome, IronHorse. No, that certainly was not a troll. That's a fine comment.

"Another reason why the Yankee game threads are so light"

FWIW, I don't participate in many game threads because it takes my concentration off the game- I would much rather discuss afterward...

"It would have been smarter for me to not say anything, just stay away for a week..."

I don't think you owe anyone here an explanation, and if you make it through the week, I'll be impressed by your self-discipline. I couldn't do it.

While I respect the decision you and Paul made to chill for a week, the timing opens you both up to bashing by yf's, new and old, who suffered through a nightmare of a first half and are now looking to draw blood as the race tightens- shouldn't surprise either of you.

I hope the break works out, and again I appreciate all the work you guys put in.

I have 2 reasons why I haven't been commenting as much in recent months, neither of which has anything to do with being a fair-weather fan:
1. My internet is unstable for whatever reason
2. Work/life. I'm sure gerbil et al will agree...

TJ - that article is awful. Not that projection is an easy business, but ya. The poster even did the math wrong in the GB..

While I respect the decision you and Paul made to chill for a week, the timing opens you both up to bashing by yf's, new and old, who suffered through a nightmare of a first half and are now looking to draw blood as the race tightens- shouldn't surprise either of you.

I hope the break works out, and again I appreciate all the work you guys put in.

Oh, the timing is totally related to the Sox' performance, no doubt. And I understand the "blood in the water" idea. But what I don't understand is how what I am doing equals "bailing" on the team. Paul said he'd back in a week, he didn't say "see ya next year". For me, it has everything to do with my own mood and my family; last night I was so unpleasant to be around that I realized I owe it my wife and kids to take a breather - my personality needs an adjustment. This realization has nothing to do with being a fair-weather fan. In fact, I am hoping that the breather allows me to temper the lows AND the highs.

I mentioned to someone this weekend that writing this blog, at least for me, means that I pay a hell of a lot more attention to the Yankees than I ever did, and I HATE the Yankees! This magnifies my moods, without a doubt. So whereas before I used to follow the Sox religiously and check in on the Yankees (I live in NYC, not too hard), now I find myself following both teams and bearing the emotional brunt of both teams' results (such is my im/maturity level). This actually annoys the crap of me. Part of me just wants to go back to knowing as little about the Yankees as possible, just know where they are in the standings, not much else. Invariably, many debates end up being zero-sum, and it's trickling out of baseball and into my mood. Not healthy. That's the reason for my cooling down, not a lack of love for the Sox, or a lack of love for the discussion. I am not going to stop checking the results, but for the moment (just the moment!) I am going to stop looking for every message in those results, as if they have deeper meaning than just entertainment.

Hey Lar, ya i noticed that and its fixed now shoiulda been 7 not 8.

"I mentioned to someone this weekend that writing this blog, at least for me, means that I pay a hell of a lot more attention to the Yankees than I ever did"


I think this is a point that has flown surprisingly under the radar. Red Sox Nation is absolutely freaking out about our team right now, and it seems to have more to do with the Yankees than it does with the Red Sox.

If the Yankees weren't playing unstoppable baseball right now, we would be looking at our own team, as a team that has some flaws but not a team that is slowly crumbing right in front of us.

I was making points on here a couple days ago about how they haven't been playing bad baseball. Yes if you go back to May 31st we are playing slightly above .500 baseball, but why are people looking at that day as any form of what this team is now. Since the All Star Break we were playing close to .600 ball, minus the Gagne mishaps, yet everyone was freaking out because of some meaningless date in May that somehow shows how this team is playing. The date has just been used for the sake of saying where have we had the worst record since.

I really don't see this team as one that is seriously flawed, and feel the same pain and anguish over the weekend watching this team piss away two wins. I was downright nasty after Sundays loss and hated myself for it.

But I think one major part is to look away from the yankees and focus are our team. Stop watching them, stop reading about them. Of course its hard, but I know I can't stop watching the Sox, so why not just stop paying attention to the Yankees.

Sorry about the rant, I have been reading this forum all day and didn't exactly know what to say, but here it all is.

Go Sox.

My proposed hiatus (we'll see if I can keep to it) sprouts directly from my mood yesterday. After the game I was unhealthily angry (this might have had something to do with working all weekend as well). Thankfully there was no one to take it out on when I got home, so I just fumed for an hour or two. But still, it was silly and was crossing over into how I was dealing with real life too much. So yeah, I don't think taking a break is crazy, although I suspect I will break my vow sooner than Paul will.

Plus, as I said above, it's hard to stomach the idea of possibly watching the Sox give up the ghost (again!) at this point in the season, and I want to get a little emotional distance if they start collapsing immediately. I was watching for every single game of last year's 5-game sweep at Fenway, so it's not like I can't have a strong stomach when necessary...

I reserve the right to break my vow if Clay Buchholz starts on Friday.

For me, it's actually the opposite. The last few years (maybe since 2001, or 2002?) I haven't been paying attention too much to the regular season - even if this blog had existed I wouldn't have posted, because the regular season always seemed (correctly or not) to be a gimme, and I always follow in the playoffs.

This year, it's been obviously different, and I find myself following the Yanks a bit more.

YFIB:

I think you are too pessimistic on the Yankees' chances to play in October. They are coming off the hardest 3 week schedule of any team in the league (20 games in 21 days, 17 of which against top contenders) and are only 2 back of Seattle for the WC.

I think they have a very good chance of catching Seattle, who now get to play the kind of schedule the Yankees have been playing for even longer (44 games in 45 days!!!!!), including plenty vs. LAA, the Yankees, Cleveland, and Detroit.

If I were betting, I'd take the Yankees to get the WC, and I think I'd do it even if I weren't a fan.

Sorry for the mis-post here,

-IH (yf)

Minky with 3-run upper deck shot. I would have put him at about number 12 on the team most likely to hit such a shot. Yanks running away with it. Stay cool Moose.

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